Topic: NEAT Video

[Frits]

Readers,

It is my mistake that the topic Neat video disappeared.

Frits

[Frits]

Greg,

I have seen you film on the Adobe site :
http://www.adobe.com/products/psprelements/quote3.html

can you tell me what are the advantage of the new versions PS 5.0 and PSe 3.0 ?
always upgrading and upgrading and upgrading and paying and paying!!!
when does this stops?
So there must be very good reason to  upgrade.

Frits

[Greg Groess]

The biggest reasons to go to PSE 5.0 from my standpoint are...

Better DB support for the Organizer in the background.  <Better, faster, stronger, and tastes great, less time lag and faster scrolls, better support for imports and organization >
Flash galleries from the organizer.
Improvements to the Creations area.
Better support for RAW <across all PS products>
Improvements to the selection tools <magic tools do a better job>
General bug fixes and updates.

For PRE 3.  They fixed some vexing issues with large file support for JPEG imports.  The 2.0 version slowed way down on conversion and render of slide shows if the image is bigger than 800X640. They also added support for smaller file exports <cell phones and web devices> .  Better playback and editing tools.  They handle the audio editing better.  Effects and transitions are also a bit easier to use.

Just my impressions...
Greg

[Frits]

The biggest reasons to go to PSE 5.0 from my standpoint are...

Better DB support for the Organizer in the background.

For PRE 3.  They fixed some vexing issues with large file support for JPEG imports.  The 2.0 version slowed way down on conversion and render of slide shows if the image is bigger than 800X640. They also added support for smaller file exports <cell phones and web devices> .  Better playback and editing tools.  They handle the audio editing better.  Effects and transitions are also a bit easier to use.

Just my impressions...
Greg

Greg,

looks very good!
Indeed I annoy me any time on the Organizer.  I could never do it good.
So I hope , it is now easy to handle.
On PE I did always reduce the importing jpg files.  The end result is always 720 x 576.
So I make them 768 x 576 in DVD mode.
But when I may believe you the problems are over ?

you must know, I am 28 years of upgrading and upgrading!
So, there must come a end on that.
I say never never. but I  think I do'nt buy Vista.
I must nearly start again. The most prgr will not work or nearly.
So XP-home with the lots of update works good.
So why should I buy Vista.?
In the same way I think about PSE 5.0 and PE 3.0

But I will gave the last two a chance , I think!

First there where Photoshop 6-7- et etc.
Then Adobe make it naked, like ADAM.
Then they put a small thing of the old Photoshop 7 in it and sell it as PSE 1.0
Now we are with version 5.0
When we are 10 years later, you have nearly the same photoshop.
But, you have payed twice or more the orginal photoshop 7.0 price.

Frits

[Frits]

Greg ,

are the flowers o nthe background from Holland?
the tulips I mean?

Frits

[Greg Groess]

In the footage from Adobe...Yes, they were a forced Tulip bowl from Holland.  They came in a clear vase and were just bulbs in water...They lasted for a solid 2 weeks...Very lovely. 

I visited the tulip growers when I was in Holland. 
I have always loved the colors and variety that are in the tulips.  The formal gardens near lise I think..<bad memory> were incredible...it was called the kokenhoff I believe...last time I tried the name on someone they said I called it the "dead house"....so I try not to exercize any dutch language skills that I really have never had.

The day with Adobe was interesting..they came to my house and turned it into a video studio..put gels on the lights and re-arranged the furnature...Kind of like I do to people when I do informal family portraits...It was odd to have to say the same thing about 10 times because they wanted the dialog to be just so...

I have to say that the project to recover the family images is still ongoing and I use the tools every day...It seems like a never ending process...

As for upgrades the main reason I stay up to date is because of the testing...you should try to get on with them...I will submit your name if you like.I'll ask you more about this when they ask for referrals...I spend 2-6 hours a week in the testing.  It is really open ended they give you things to go try out and, you report back the bugs you find and how you caused them.  They really do take suggestions to heart during the process...Many things I have asked for are now a standard part of the PSE and PRE programs.

I have also learned a ton about the programs and how they work together.

Greg

[Frits]

In the footage from Adobe...Yes, they were a forced Tulip bowl from Holland.  They came in a clear vase and were just bulbs in water...They lasted for a solid 2 weeks...Very lovely. 

I saw on TV last week, there where Narcissus in New york on a time there are not in holland.
This was once a gift of a Dutch flower businessman. It has something to do with  9/11.

Yuu speak of "de KEUKENHOF", Yeh that's only for tourists.
the prgr BABYLON 6 can speak so you can try it.

It was odd to have to say the same thing about 10 times because they wanted the dialog to be just so...

Short....

I have to say that the project to recover the family images is still ongoing and I use the tools every day...It seems like a never ending process...

I will submit your name if you like.
It costs me to much time. There are more things to do!
Greg
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Very Iteresting!!!
So you are promotor from ADOBE now ?

[Greg Groess]

lol...

nope...I do use the products all the time...

I'm not afraid to recommend them because I usually end up teaching people about them, and it's easier if I know the programs.

Greg

[Frits]

Greg,
that is right.
But, could the devolpers not first listen to the users before they make a upgrade.?
I prelude you , that about over 10 years, you have version 10 or more.
And it is also, do you really use al the stuff inside it!

so, I think,  I buy the newer versions. OR shall I wait to the next ugrade.?
you has suggested something in that direction.

Frits

[Frits]

Greg,
I get for a moment ago a offer from Raxco.
I am user of FIRST DEFENCE ISR and perfectidk 8.0.
so I can get the suite and more for 9, 99 dollar. Very cheap.
again a upgrade.

and so on, and so on.

Frits

[Greg Groess]

You know Fritz, I'd have to say that the biggest problem with new product development is the cost of the development vs. the user base that wants it. Adobe has to make a profit or else they won't be here to support the programs that are good enough...

For Adobe, I have a strong feeling that with all the photo products out there, they are more interested in getting people to use the simple software.  The PSE PRE products are designed to be over simplified and also to serve as a gateway to the CS2 type products.  I pose the complication question a lot of the time during my testing..I want my 70 year old father to be able to use the program because...well he does use it.. 

There are many testers that dig deeply into the most obscure areas of the program.  They end up being dissatisfied with the process because they think that the "fixing" of the small problem is more important than what the overall goals of the process are.

Many upgrades are market driven.  That is the reality of the business aspect of this as well.  Adobe does not want you to have to upgrade, they want you to want to upgrade by bringing new ideas to market.  Sometimes they succeed  <CS2>  sometimes they fail <Adobe Album 2.0>.  I have been testing with them for 3 years and never have I felt that they were ignoring the users...Most of the upgrade ideas come out of the forums and from the professionals who teach.

It is also a sad reality that if Adobe does not come to market with a new version every year they risk being "stale"  many people attack companies for not being proactive enough. I know they are striking a balance and trying hard to "hear the people" on alot of stuff...

I know you might think I am a paid advert for Adobe but I think I am a realist in my expectations for the development process...Many ideas are added and a few really goods ones make it all the way to the end....If my ideas get the boot I'm ok with that...

I hate the upgrade process as much as you, and resist as long as I can, until the software I have can not produce the product I want then I go look and see what I can do about that....

Greg

[Frits]

Greg,

very nice spoken!
I have no realy comment on it.
Only a bit thoughts about it.
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I am 65 and there where days ( old days) that banks had no interest in your and my money.
I get my salary in a envelope once a week.
Once they see the light and have understand that lots small money make a moutain.

About this way it was and is with software and computers.
When software has a reasonable price they gain a lot of money.
So also ADOBE.
I rember me the time that such prgrs   costs 40.000 dollars.
Make it cheap and lots of people have profit of it.

A small example: I use Steady Hand for anti shaking in my movies. I have payed about 60 euro's.
But I like to have STEADY move from 2D3.com.
But that prgr costs 499 dollars. to expensive !
I have tried the demo months ago, but not convinced it is better.
Why? The demo is to small to see the effect very well.
So, I find that this company ask to much.  They have a monopoly on it.
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So there are lots of prgrs to work on for photo's.
So there is plenty money to get.
So I have no pity with Adobe.

frits

[Greg Groess]

oh, I have no pity for them either...

Don't even get me started on Microsoft....I guess I just wanted you to know that the process is open to you if you want to be included.  Most of the time you need to ask, be willing to be interviewed, and put forth the time to try to make a difference...

Greg

[Frits]

oh, I have no pity for them either...

Don't even get me started on Microsoft....I guess I just wanted you to know that the process is open to you if you want to be included.  Most of the time you need to ask, be willing to be interviewed, and put forth the time to try to make a difference...

Greg

Greg,
it looks attractively !
But here in holland , we are very rational.
I think , it costs me a lot of time!
So I think,  I must thank you for this offer.
Perhaps next time.
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When I am in town, this week or next, I buy the Adobe suite.

Frits

[Frits]

Greg,

I was forgotten this:
You have a very nice wide screen to look at.
How many inch ..21---22---23 --24 --- count up -----he is left of---->
Frits